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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 22:35:40 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #743 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Mon, 4 Jul 94 Volume 94 : Issue 743 Today's Topics: Denver 2m Active Repeaters Help with No Scratch mag mount IPS Daily Report - 04 July 94 IPS Monthly Report - June 94 JVFAX/Hamcomm interface available! License Renewal looking for info on 2mtr repeaters in santa cruz ca. Motorola GP-300 handheld New-style NY ham plates? Sun spot data? temperature conversion TNC BBS door? WANTED: FTPable Logging prog for Windows Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jul 1994 22:19:01 -0400 From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net Subject: Denver 2m Active Repeaters To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Does anyone know the frequencies of the most active 2m repeaters in the Denver, Colorado area. I will be there for a week and plan to take my HT with me. Thanks, Warren Whitby 73s de KE4ITL --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 94 19:31:38 -0400 From: psinntp!news.worldlink.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net Subject: Help with No Scratch mag mount To: info-hams@ucsd.edu DGoodman <dgoodman@aol.com> writes: > >Jeff Kashinsky (jeff@sec.sel.sony.com) wrote: >: I have a Larsen NMO mag mount and the plastic on the bottom is >ripped. The >: magnet has started scratching the car paint. > >: Suggestions of what to use to replace the plastic would be >appreciated. > >My choice is the self-adhesive felt that is normally used to put >under lamps and things to avoid scratching furniture. This stuff is >cheap and available at any full-line drug store or hardware store. >While this stuff is much thicker than an acetate sheet, I've rarely >had problems with a Larsen mag mount & antenna blowing off--if >anytime, usually by a semi passing in the opposite direction on a >two-lane road when we're both doing about 60...I mean 55, and when >we're both a bit too close to each other (and the antenna is on the >left rear). After a rain or two, the felt mushes down, making for >better magnetic hold. > >Danny Goodman AE9F/6 I tried the felt. It worked OK for holding the magnet on, but the electrical coupling between the antenna and the car was terrible - I got SWRs that ranged between 1.3 and 5, within seconds of each other. Conclusion: the felt is too thick. ...phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 23:32:58 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!ipso!rwc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: IPS Daily Report - 04 July 94 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT ISSUED AT 4/2330Z JULY 1994 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY. SUMMARY FOR 4 JULY AND FORECAST UP TO 7 JULY No IPS Disturbance Warning is current ----------------------------------------------------------- 1A. SOLAR SUMMARY Activity: very low Flares: none. Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 085/027 GOES satellite data for 3 July Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV: 2.9E+06 Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV: 1.2E+04 Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 1.0E+09 X-ray background: A5.9 Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day. 1B. SOLAR FORECAST 05 July 06 July 07 July Activity Very low Very low Very low Fadeouts None expected None expected None expected Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 085/027 1C. SOLAR COMMENT None. ----------------------------------------------------------- 2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet to unsettled Estimated Indices : A K Observed A Index 3 July Learmonth 08 3221 2231 Fredericksburg 08 17 Planetary 13 14 Observed Kp for 3 July: 3344 2233 2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST DATE Ap CONDITIONS 05 Jul 10 Quiet to unsettled. 06 Jul 10 Quiet to unsettled. 07 Jul 10 Quiet to unsettled. 2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT Solar X-ray data suggests that Coronal hole-induced magnetic activity observed 10-12 June is NOT likely to re-occur during the corresponding period of 7-9 July. ----------------------------------------------------------- 3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY LATITUDE BAND DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH 04 Jul normal normal fair PCA Event : None. 3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST LATITUDE BAND DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH 05 Jul normal normal fair 06 Jul normal normal fair 07 Jul normal normal fair 3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT NONE. ----------------------------------------------------------- 4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY MUFs at Sydney were near predicted monthly values Observed T index for 04 July: 30 Predicted Monthly T Index for July is 30. 4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST DATE T-index MUFs 05 Jul 25 Near predicted monthly values. 06 Jul 30 Near predicted monthly values. 07 Jul 35 Near predicted monthly values. 4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT Occasional Sporadic E layer was observed yesterday. Similar conditions are expected for today. -- IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services email: rwc@ips.oz.au fax: +61 2 4148331 |PO Box 5606 RWC Duty Forecaster tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057 Recorded Message tel: +61 2 4148330 |AUSTRALIA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 04:20:50 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!ifi.uio.no!wabbit.cc.uow.edu.au!news.ci.com.au!metro!ipso!rwc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: IPS Monthly Report - June 94 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SUBJ: IPS MONTHLY REPORT - JUNE 1994 ISSUED BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY. 1. SOLAR-GEOPHYSICAL INDICES SOLAR MAGNETIC AUST Day 10 cm flux A-INDEX T INDEX June 01 068 24 23 June 02 068 21 18 June 03 068 20 31 June 04 068 21 34 June 05 068 20 22 June 06 071 18 35 June 07 077 16 29 June 08 080 09 19 June 09 083 13 29 June 10 085 16 36 June 11 086 15 53 June 12 086 26 53 June 13 085 12 42 June 14 085 15 44 June 15 088 09 51 June 16 088 06 47 June 17 084 10 35 June 18 078 14 50 June 19 077 20 49 June 20 076 14 38 June 21 074 13 41 June 22 072 08 32 June 23 073 03 25 June 24 073 04 25 June 25 073 02 15 June 26 074 25 36 June 27 073 19 33 June 28 074 17 15 June 29 079 22 26 June 30 083 17 28 10 CM FLUX SUNSPOT NUMBER A INDEX AUST FLARES T INDEX Monthly Monthly Yearly Monthly Monthly >M1.0 Month Average Average Average Average Average June 94 77.2 28.1 15.0 33.8 1 May 94 79.8 18.2 21.5 27.5 0 April 94 79.0 16.7 21.0 34.7 0 March 94 90.5 31.7 17.5 36.9 0 February 94 99.5 35.9 22.5 38.0 2 January 94 115.0 58.8 12.4 60.2 11 December 93 104.9 49.4 38.4 10.4 56.4 8 November 93 95.8 34.8 41.0 11.7 50.0 3 October 93 100.2 55.4 44.7 11.6 31.3 3 September 93 86.3 21.7 48.2 12.3 33.6 2 August 93 93.7 42.0 52.1 11.0 48.7 1 July 93 99.0 57.3 54.4 10.6 59.6 4 June 93 109.4 49.1 55.8 13.0 62.6 13 IPS Predicted (Yearly Smoothed) Sunspot Numbers for January 1994-December 1994 Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec SSN 36.2 34.1 33.5 32.2 30.2 28.4 25.6 23.1 21.8 21.2 21.1 20.4 Latest T-Indices for IPS Advanced Stand-Alone Prediction System-(ASAPS) Last update: June 1994 Solar-Geophysical Summary Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1988 45 43 58 74 72 84 84 95 115 132 116 128 1989 147 164 135 140 141 157 162 149 143 159 164 152 1990 150 128 135 129 126 138 136 138 141 136 122 133 1991 143 175 169 163 136 121 141 126 135 131 121 130 1992 152 172 156 134 95 79 89 66 68 68 85 90 1993 75 78 81 65 64 65 62 48 36 42 36 40 1994 55 38* 36* 35* 34* 32* 30* 26* 24* 22* 21* 20* 1995 19* 18* 17* 16* 15* 15* 14* 13* 12* 11* 11* 11* 1996 10* 10* 9* 8* 8* 8* 8* 9* 9* 10* 11* 12* 1997 13* 15* 16* 18* 21* 23* 26* 29* 33* 37* 42* 47* Asterisk indicates predicted value. For information concerning ASAPS for an IBM PC (or compatible) contact IPS. The IPS Monthly T-index is derived from the observed monthly median values of foF2 for each hour at up to 40 ionospheric stations worldwide. These records become available from IPS stations in Australia very soon after each month, but the majority are received up to one year later. This means that the exact observed value of the monthly T-index is not available until some months later. The predicted smoothed monthly T-indices are computed by using a statistical analysis of the observed monthly T-indices for all solar cycles since 1938. The IPS T-indices may not be updated each month but only when sufficient new data becomes available. =============================================================================== 2. FLARES AND SHORT-WAVE FADEOUTS All M flares with an energy greater than or equal to M1 are tabulated under class M flares. However, times of fade-outs are shown only for flares with an energy greater than X-ray class M3. DATE CLASS M CLASS X FADEOUT POSSIBLE FLARES FLARES ON DAYLIGHT CIRCUIT June 30 1 2.1 Comments on Solar Activity. An M2.5/1B flare was observed at 2124UT on the 30th of June. This is the first M-class flare event since 27th of February. Solar activity was at very low to low levels on other days during June. Little variation was observed in the daily 10cm flux values throughout the month. A peak for the month of 88 occurred on 15-16 June, with a minimum value of 68 recorded on 1-5 June. =============================================================================== 3. GEOMAGNETIC DISTURBANCES (for Learmonth, WA) DATE COMMENTS June 1-7 Unsettled to active levels observed. This activity was the tail end of the recurrent disturbance which began May 28. June 12 Unsettled to active levels observed. This activity was part of another recurrent pattern. June 19 Unsettled to active levels observed. June 26-30 Unsettled to active levels observed. This disturbance was expected for June 24-July 4 and appears to be weakening. 3.1 Comments on Geomagnetic Activity. Recurrent geomagnetic activity was observed during June, however the intensity of the disturbances appears to be declining. The peak A index for the month was observed on June 12 with a value of 26. =============================================================================== 4. IONOSPHERIC DISTURBANCES (for Sydney) DATE MUFs June 1 Spread F observed during local night. June 13-16 Spread F observed during local night. June 22 Spread F observed during local night. June 22 Spread F observed during local night. June 24-25 Spread F observed during local night. June 28 Depressed 15% during local daylight hours. Spread F observed during local night. 4.1 Comments on Ionospheric Conditions. Spread F was commonly observed during local night-time hours. The most significant depression for the month was observed on June 28. =============================================================================== 5. IPS WARNINGS AND ALERTS ISSUED WARNINGS: NO ISSUE TIME ISSUE DATE BEGIN END COMMENTS 15 0234 UT 26 05 1994 28 05 1994 07 06 1994 Magnetic and Ionospheric 16 0030 UT 08 06 1994 11 06 1994 13 06 1994 Magnetic and Ionospheric 17 0009 UT 22 06 1994 24 06 1994 04 07 1994 Magnetic and Ionospheric SIGNIFICANT EVENT SUMMARY NO TIME DATE COMMENTS None Issued. SWF WARNING NO TIME DATE None Issued. ALERTS: DATE OF ISSUE TYPE OF ALERT 01 Jun Magnetic 20 Jun Magnetic 28 Jun Magnetic DATE SWF BEGIN-END (UT) 30 Jun 2120-(estimated duration 15mins) -- IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services email: rwc@ips.oz.au fax: +61 2 4148331 |PO Box 5606 RWC Duty Forecaster tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057 Recorded Message tel: +61 2 4148330 |AUSTRALIA ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 1994 22:03:04 -0400 From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net Subject: JVFAX/Hamcomm interface available! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu If for some reason you still dont have your interface built, I might be willing to build up a few. Charge would be for parts and putting it together for you.... contact David or Ron at: wilsonsatx@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 16:27:56 -0500 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!spdcc!merk!harvee.billerica.ma.us!esj@network.ucsd.edu Subject: License Renewal To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In <2uqn3t$32t@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, Dick Flanagan writes: >In article <772329681.AA01202@afarm.uucp> John.Maultsby@f40.n382.z1.fidonet.org (John Maultsby) writes: >>To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) >> On 06-18-94 Eric S Johansson wrote to All... >> ES> I did that (610, 90 days prior...) and my license just expired on the >> ES> 15th >> ES> of june with no sign of a renewal.... when should I panic? >> >>I wouldn't worry about it... Probably technically, you're not supposed to >>transmit until you get the new license in your hands, but who's gonna know? > >Doesn't anyone read the Regs anymore? > .... >In other words, you may continue to operate until you eventually receive >your renewed license =OR= until you are notified by the FCC that it was >not renewed. thanks for the info and I figured that I could keep operating ok. but, that is not what I asked about. I asked: >> ES> when should I panic? and what I intended to ask is, when should I call/write/nag the fcc/arrl? from reading the net, it seems like I should start nagging at about the 12-15 week mark. ---eric -- HOME: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us HAM ka1eec WORK: esj@temerity.polaroid.com 617.386.4687 source of the public's fear of the unknown since 1956 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 1994 16:11:48 -0700 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: looking for info on 2mtr repeaters in santa cruz ca. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Larry Benjamin in Florida (larryb@news.gate.net) wrote: : I am visiting some friends in santa cruz and forgot my repeater directory. : would someone please e-mail the repeater freq,offsets,pl tones. to me : thanks, 73 de larry benjamin : larryb@gate.net S a n t a C r u z A r e a C a l i f o r n i a T w o M e t e r s 145.25- 145.37- 100 145.47- 146.64- 146.76- 146.79- 94.8 146.835- 94.8 146.97- 94.8 147.12+ 147.945- 94.8 -- Bob Wilkins work bwilkins@cave.org Berkeley, California home rwilkins@ccnet.com 94701-0710 play n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jul 94 18:57:00 -0800 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.claremont.edu!kaiwan.com!ledge!darryl.linkow@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Motorola GP-300 handheld To: info-hams@ucsd.edu BT>Motorola has some special equipment to program the radio to some BT>desire frequencies through the contacts on the back of the radio. BT>I believe it's just some serial data sending to the internal BT>microprocessor through those contacts. Does anyone know the protocol, BT>baud rate, line voltages, etc?? I really appreciate if someone can BT>help me with these - it's too expensive to have the factory to program BT>it everytime you want to change frequencies. Good new and bad news. The good news is that it can be programmed by an IBM compatible PC, via the serial port. The bad news is that it requires a RIB (radio interface box), cables and software that will cost you at least $500 and probably more! For what it will cost you, you could buy a real nice, brand new Yaesu FT-530 dual band HT and still have money left over for other gear. On the other hand, if you already have the GP300, you are better off having someone with the necessary equipment program it for you. I do have the RIB and ther serial cable for it. If you come up with the cable and the software, I would be happy to program your 300 for no charge. --- │ OLX 2.2 │ Darryl Linkow (818)346-5278 9 am - 5 pm PDT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 22:44:26 -0500 From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net Subject: New-style NY ham plates? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I read somewhere a few months ago that New York was about to introduce new, "distinctive", ham call license plates. Has anyone heard when this is going to happen? Will current ham-plate holders be notified automatically? John Kent - AA2DY Hopewell Junction, NY ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 94 20:24:50 -0500 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!woods.uml.edu!martinja@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Sun spot data? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <interso-0407941425550001@interso.hip.cam.org>, interso@cam.org (Archibald d'Arsenic) writes: > Where can I find sun spot data information? On the sun... ;) Knew you'd like that one. Try tuning into WWV or WWVH at 18 minutes past the hour. I'm listening in on 15.000 MHz right now and in one minute it will be 00:18 UTC, 5 July 1994. Oh well, fading took most of the report out from here. Solar activity was reported as very low to low I belive the A index was 6, the K - 2, and sunspot number 85. Not sure because the fading was rather severe and it's been some time since I listened for sloar reports on WWV. If conditions are not right or you don't have an HF rig capable of receiving WWV (who doesn't anymore?) you can call (303) 499-7111 for WWV or (808) 335-4363 for WWVH. Notice that NEITHER call is a toll free call. That means you gotta pay to listen. I'm sure there are other ways to get the info you're looking for like an ftp site or something like that. Maybe someone else will provide clues to other than what I'm posting here. Hope this helps. 73 de WK1V Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 03:11:23 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!sitka.wsipc.wednet.edu!egreen!egreen!jmollan@network.ucsd.edu Subject: temperature conversion To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I always take the temperature C, double it and then add 30. This works fine if you want to be reasonably close and you'r mobile or something. Of course, it the temperature is -40, you don't have to convert it. It's the same on both scales. Now if the USA would only get with the program and go metric. AE7P ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 94 02:16:14 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: TNC BBS door? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello from Mexico! I am looking for a BBS door that give you access to a packet TNC. Any suggestions and/or experiences? Any FTP site? 73 & DX de Ramon, XE1KK ------------------------------ Date: 05 Jul 1994 02:21:00 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!chaos.dac.neu.edu!chaos.dac!wy1z@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WANTED: FTPable Logging prog for Windows To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I am looking for an FTPable general purpose logging program, preferably Windows-based. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Also, please e-mail direct if possible. -- Scott Ehrlich, Amateur Radio Callsign: wy1z How to reach me: wy1z@neu.edu [Internet], wy1z@wa1phy.ma [Packet] Boston ARC ftp archives: ftp oak.oakland.edu /pub/hamradio Boston ARC Web page: http://www.acs.oakland.edu/barc.html ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 94 22:56:23 -0500 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!woods.uml.edu!martinja@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <772329681.AA01202@afarm.uucp>, <2uqn3t$32t@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, <H.eg.TzMfSRVsWxE@harvee.billerica.ma.us>.edu Subject : Re: License Renewal In article <H.eg.TzMfSRVsWxE@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, esj@harvee.billerica.ma. us (Eric S Johansson) writes: > In <2uqn3t$32t@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, Dick Flanagan writes: >>In article <772329681.AA01202@afarm.uucp> John.Maultsby@f40.n382.z1.fidonet .org (John Maultsby) writes: >>>To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) >>> On 06-18-94 Eric S Johansson wrote to All... >>> ES> I did that (610, 90 days prior...) and my license just expired on the >>> ES> 15th of june with no sign of a renewal.... when should I panic? >>> >>>I wouldn't worry about it... Probably technically, you're not supposed to >>>transmit until you get the new license in your hands, but who's gonna know? >> >>Doesn't anyone read the Regs anymore? >> > .... >>In other words, you may continue to operate until you eventually receive >>your renewed license =OR= until you are notified by the FCC that it was >>not renewed. I can't tell who replied to whom now but looks like some misinformation is being passed along here. Eric, you MAY NOT operate until you receive a new license from the FCC. I'll tell you why: 97.19(c) of the FCC Rules: [When the licensee has submitted a timely application for renewal of an unexpired license (between 60 and 90 days prior to the end of the license term is recommended), the licensee may continue to operate until the disposition of the application has been determined...] Yes, you stated that you submitted your renewal at around the 90 day point. But, your license has expired so the application was not timely. It's not your fault that the FCC is backlogged so much that it is taking longer than the recommended 60-90 days for the renewal to be processed. The 60 to 90 days is only a recommendation and in times like we are in now submission should be done earlier, like 120-150 days. The keywords in the first half of 97.19(c) are [unexpired license]. Now let's look at the second half of 97.19(c) [...If a license expires, {are you with me Eric?} application for renewal may be made during a grace period of 2 years after the expiration date. During this grace period, the expired license is not valid. A license renewed during the grace period must be dated as of the date of the renewal.] Okay, so you made the application before your license expired...but your license has expired and you haven't received your renewal yet. I interpret the above as saying that the renewal for an unexpired license means that, the renewal must be processed by the FCC and/or you must receive the new license prior to the old license expiration date in order for you to be permitted to keep operating under the authority of the old ticket. One may keep operating on a current license, providing it hasn't expired. Stands to reason once a license is expired it is no longer current. Since your license has expired and you haven't received the renewal you now fall under the two-year grace period. You will retain your callsign, unless you have applied to change it by initialing Block 4E. on the FCC Form 610 when you submitted it. There is a possibility that your new ticket is on the way to your mailbox. If it has been over 90 days since you filed for renewal, you should call the FCC at Gettysburg and get the scoop from the horse's mouth. My point, Eric, is what if the FCC came to your house and caught you operating? You present an expired license. What proof do you have that you submitted a renewal application? The grace period doesn't mean that you can operate until you obtain a new license after your old one has expired. I'm sure you'll have your new and valid ticket within a couple of weeks now. I wouldn't take any chances unless I spoke to someone at Gettysburg and was told it is okay to keep operating considering the circumstances. Hey, there could be a chance of that. But then I would carefully log the contents of the call and make sure I got the individual's name correctly. Good luck. If I am incorrect in my assessment of this situation I'm sure someone will let me know. I do have over 20 years of experience reading and interpreting government mumbo jumbo. I'm not always right but I'm not afraid to jump in with both feet either. It's better to be safe than sorry where the possibility of an NAL is concerned. 73 de WK1V Jim ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #743 ******************************